Are scientist-artist collaborations helping you in any way? - SCI-ART LAB2024-03-28T17:58:50Zhttps://kkartlab.in/forum/topics/are-collaborations-helping-you-in-any-way?commentId=2816864%3AComment%3A89563&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI would be glad if the artist…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-26:2816864:Comment:895422012-07-26T04:27:12.462ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>I would be glad if the artists too gave similar tips to scientists. It would create a better atmosphere to understand their concerns. Science culture is almost uniform around the world but I know artists differ in their views, opinions and ideas as their cultures and regions have influence on their thought processes. Therefore I want to hear from as many artists as possible.</p>
<p>I would be glad if the artists too gave similar tips to scientists. It would create a better atmosphere to understand their concerns. Science culture is almost uniform around the world but I know artists differ in their views, opinions and ideas as their cultures and regions have influence on their thought processes. Therefore I want to hear from as many artists as possible.</p> Krishna, my opinions merge w…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-25:2816864:Comment:897252012-07-25T07:11:38.258ZAnand G.V.https://kkartlab.in/profile/AnandGV
<p>Krishna, my opinions merge with those of yours. Liked the way you put things for the consideration of artists. Well done.</p>
<p>Krishna, my opinions merge with those of yours. Liked the way you put things for the consideration of artists. Well done.</p> Scientists are : Goal orient…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-25:2816864:Comment:897232012-07-25T04:33:56.581ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Scientists are : <br/> Goal oriented<br/> Go Getters<br/> Focused<br/> Driven<br/> Competitive<br/> Achievers</p>
<p>Tips on how to deal with them :</p>
<p>Be practical<br/> Be brief<br/> Be assertive<br/> Be to the point<br/> Be supportive of their goals<br/> Be respectful of their time<br/> Show strength (of your ideas)!</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
<p>Scientists are : <br/> Goal oriented<br/> Go Getters<br/> Focused<br/> Driven<br/> Competitive<br/> Achievers</p>
<p>Tips on how to deal with them :</p>
<p>Be practical<br/> Be brief<br/> Be assertive<br/> Be to the point<br/> Be supportive of their goals<br/> Be respectful of their time<br/> Show strength (of your ideas)!</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p> I recently read an article wr…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-25:2816864:Comment:896082012-07-25T02:14:34.323ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>I recently read an article written by an Indian Ph.D. student doing his research at CERN. He said he was very worried when he first joined CERN because his department had several Nobel Laureates. One day he was following one of those Nobel-Laureate-scientists to a lab. The NLS first entered the room and held the door for this young student till he entered the room! "All my fears and misconceptions about NLScientists disappeared with this single incident" wrote the student, "There I was the…</p>
<p>I recently read an article written by an Indian Ph.D. student doing his research at CERN. He said he was very worried when he first joined CERN because his department had several Nobel Laureates. One day he was following one of those Nobel-Laureate-scientists to a lab. The NLS first entered the room and held the door for this young student till he entered the room! "All my fears and misconceptions about NLScientists disappeared with this single incident" wrote the student, "There I was the junior most student and imagine the senior most Nobel Laureate Scientist holding the door for me till I entered the room! He could have closed it on my face as soon as he entered the room. But he didn't! Can you imagine anything like this happening in any other field? "</p>
<p>Need I say more? I agree, scientists are introverts and don't mingle much with others. Not because of their big egos but because of complexity their work loads that don't allow them to have ordinary pleasures. Some don't even get time to properly eat and sleep. It is my own experience that when I am deeply involved in my thoughts and work, even small disturbances in the form of a few reminders to eat my food would effect them and disrupt the processes and I don't like such disturbances. Food or no food, my work must go on!</p>
<p>That is why scientists are skeptical about the collaborative work with the artists. They will have to consider several things before accepting these. They want assurance that this won't effect their work in a negative manner. They also want to know that the work with artists can benefit both them and the artists. I agree with Prof. Anand in this aspect.</p>
<p>Some scientists I spoke to said: Artists don't try to understand their concerns and assume that because of their superiority complex and ego, they are refusing to work with them. Artists, this assumption is not true. Try to address the concerns of the scientists and convince them that the collaborative work will help both you and them and I am sure you will get a positive response from them.</p>
<p>I feel there is a communication gap here. Artists, try to answer the questions asked by scientists in the right manner. First you must be convinced about the positive effects to give a good response to scientists. If the scientists are not convinced, they would definitely say 'no'. Don't get disheartened, try to rework the strategy and go back to them. If you get a negative answer again, the scientists might have thought their pure science work was more important to them than the collaborative work and they didn't have time to spare for the latter. Understand this and proceed to another one who can spare some time.</p> Dear Teri Power
I appeal to a…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-24:2816864:Comment:895342012-07-24T17:49:28.761ZLiviu Iliescuhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/LiviuIliescu
<p>Dear Teri Power</p>
<p>I appeal to artists because the are enrolled in my plan of experimentation.</p>
<p> I also bioptical compositions but can not claim that I have artistic potential</p>
<p>of that could launch a new communication which I propose.</p>
<p> How will highlight artists knowing that each year currently</p>
<p> are created hundreds of thousands (in world) of paintings and digital images?</p>
<p>Please read the synthesis, of my offer.</p>
<p>I hope some artists will be…</p>
<p>Dear Teri Power</p>
<p>I appeal to artists because the are enrolled in my plan of experimentation.</p>
<p> I also bioptical compositions but can not claim that I have artistic potential</p>
<p>of that could launch a new communication which I propose.</p>
<p> How will highlight artists knowing that each year currently</p>
<p> are created hundreds of thousands (in world) of paintings and digital images?</p>
<p>Please read the synthesis, of my offer.</p>
<p>I hope some artists will be interested to get bioptical device that is easy to make and that is</p>
<p>essential object of the bond between me and its.</p>
<p><b>The Bioptical Art provides the opportunity to develop new skills in the visual sense.</b></p>
<p><b>Thus highlight the following effects:</b></p>
<p>See link<b> ; </b> <a href="http://www.binocular-rivalry.ro/c3.html">3. Bioptical effects, definitions</a></p>
<p><b> </b></p>
<p><b><i>Psychophysical mixture of colors, retinal cooperation, antispace in art, spatial harmony, bispace in art, psychic cycle, dynamics of space depth, spatial disharmony, hyperrealistic effects, hiatus in art, visual gradient, hyperspace in art, field binocular rivalry</i></b><b>.</b></p>
<p> </p>
<p><b>The modalities that I propose</b> may be valorised by arousing a wider interest, if the <b><i>fine art artists, by using traditional techniques and their talent</i></b>, will create complex compositions with bioptical stimuli. On one hand, Bioptical Art will bring developments in <b><i>research of psychology, neurology and psychiatry,</i></b> and, on the other hand, it will give possibilities to the <b><i>field of aesthetics</i></b> to supplement chapters such as: <b><i>disinterested interest, art as sensorial experience, art dependent knowledge</i></b> and others<b><i>.</i></b></p>
<p> </p>
<p>We broke up useful techniques in the art of the artistic communication, which belongs to artists.</p>
<p>I am a specialist in mathematical calculation of optical systems, but I handled the psychology</p>
<p>of vision and visual communication applications.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>I think it is interesting to you as it may in painting Color Fusion Helmholtz</p>
<p>But the difficulty is that it is not possible to quickly learn the techniques</p>
<p> that I have researched over 50 years</p>
<p> </p> Perhaps this discussion is tu…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-24:2816864:Comment:896072012-07-24T13:45:06.222ZTeri Powerhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/TeriPower
<p>Perhaps this discussion is turning inward because as i eluded to before it seems to be a closed system. Artists and scientists like to work with a more open ended problems...I think if this lab were framed more like problem with open ended results encouraged more artists would respond. A call for art with the guidelines that underlie what it is that you want will get you some interesting involvement. If your criteria is clear you will see how people interpret your ideas. Collaborations can…</p>
<p>Perhaps this discussion is turning inward because as i eluded to before it seems to be a closed system. Artists and scientists like to work with a more open ended problems...I think if this lab were framed more like problem with open ended results encouraged more artists would respond. A call for art with the guidelines that underlie what it is that you want will get you some interesting involvement. If your criteria is clear you will see how people interpret your ideas. Collaborations can be encouraged in the guidelines in fact i have seen calls for art like this. It is not productive to argue. Look outward. What is it you really want to accomplish?</p> Dear Anand
You think that I i…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-24:2816864:Comment:898012012-07-24T11:56:42.084ZLiviu Iliescuhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/LiviuIliescu
<p>Dear Anand</p>
<div class="Section1"><p>You think that I interfere with the attitude of superiority</p>
<p>in my offer to work with artists?</p>
<p>I appeal to them because the are enrolled in my plan of experimentation.</p>
<p> I also bioptical compositions but can not claim that I have artistic potential</p>
<p>of that could launch a new communication which I propose.</p>
<p> How will highlight artists knowing that each year currently</p>
<p> are created thousands of paintings and…</p>
</div>
<p>Dear Anand</p>
<div class="Section1"><p>You think that I interfere with the attitude of superiority</p>
<p>in my offer to work with artists?</p>
<p>I appeal to them because the are enrolled in my plan of experimentation.</p>
<p> I also bioptical compositions but can not claim that I have artistic potential</p>
<p>of that could launch a new communication which I propose.</p>
<p> How will highlight artists knowing that each year currently</p>
<p> are created thousands of paintings and digital images?</p>
<p>Please read the synthesis, of my offer</p>
<p>I hope some artists will be interested to get bioptical</p>
<p>device that is easy to make and that is</p>
<p>essential object of the bond between me and its.</p>
<p>I hope to help yourself in my plan, including supplements theoretical.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><b> The Bioptical Art provides the opportunity to develop new skills in the visual sense.</b></p>
<p><b>Thus highlight the following effects:</b></p>
<p>See link<b> ; </b> <a href="http://www.binocular-rivalry.ro/c3.html">3. Bioptical effects, definitions</a></p>
<p><b> </b></p>
<p><b><i>Psychophysical mixture of colors, retinal cooperation, antispace in art, spatial harmony, bispace in art, psychic cycle, dynamics of space depth, spatial disharmony, hyperrealistic effects, hiatus in art, visual gradient, hyperspace in art, field binocular rivalry</i></b><b>.</b></p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><b>The modalities that I propose</b> may be valorised by arousing a wider interest, if the <b><i>fine art artists, by using traditional techniques and their talent</i></b>, will create complex compositions with bioptical stimuli. On one hand, Bioptical Art will bring developments in <b><i>research of psychology, neurology and psychiatry,</i></b> and, on the other hand, it will give possibilities to the <b><i>field of aesthetics</i></b> to supplement chapters such as: <b><i>disinterested interest, art as sensorial experience, art dependent knowledge</i></b> and others<b><i>.</i></b></p>
<p><b><i> </i></b></p>
<p><b><i> </i></b></p>
</div>
<p><b><i> </i></b></p> I don't mind working with art…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-24:2816864:Comment:895312012-07-24T06:38:03.259ZAnand G.V.https://kkartlab.in/profile/AnandGV
<p>I don't mind working with artists like Vijetha. Like Krishna said she has the right attitude.</p>
<p>I have reservations regarding people who come to the table with preconceived notions like 'scientists have big egos and they think they are superior to artists' etc. etc. Scientists have better things to do than argue about who is superior and who is inferior. They are too busy to think about egos and other ordinary things.</p>
<p>All that they consider while dealing with a collaborative…</p>
<p>I don't mind working with artists like Vijetha. Like Krishna said she has the right attitude.</p>
<p>I have reservations regarding people who come to the table with preconceived notions like 'scientists have big egos and they think they are superior to artists' etc. etc. Scientists have better things to do than argue about who is superior and who is inferior. They are too busy to think about egos and other ordinary things.</p>
<p>All that they consider while dealing with a collaborative proposal is whether the work will benefit everybody or not. Whether it will help people involved or not.</p>
<p>Artists try to remove your tinted glasses when you approach scientists and see the scientific world in its true form.</p> Collaborations do not succeed…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-24:2816864:Comment:895992012-07-24T05:33:14.797ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Collaborations do not succeed in many situations. A critical condition for their success is the existence of a shared body of knowledge and techniques, which scientists call a shared praxis. A shared praxis does not exist when there is disagreement over basic values. Such disagreements destroy collaborations, for arguments cannot be settled. Arguments can be resolved only if there is general agreement on standards for what it means for analyses or procedures to be valid or…</p>
<p>Collaborations do not succeed in many situations. A critical condition for their success is the existence of a shared body of knowledge and techniques, which scientists call a shared praxis. A shared praxis does not exist when there is disagreement over basic values. Such disagreements destroy collaborations, for arguments cannot be settled. Arguments can be resolved only if there is general agreement on standards for what it means for analyses or procedures to be valid or correct.</p>
<p>Because the conceptualists and experimentalists think so differently and approach problems from different directions, it is unlikely that they will share sufficient values to make collaboration effective.</p>
<p>Collaboration is usually episodic or short lived, though there are exceptions. It is hard for collaborators to work together over very long periods of time. Collaboration requires not only the shared praxis, but also agreement upon the subject to be explored and the strategy to be pursued. Consequently, collaborative work tends to focus on a few articles or a book rather than a lifetime agenda. Because experimental work often has a longer gestation, there may be less collaboration among experimental innovators than among conceptual innovators.</p>
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<p>( <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-galenson/collaboration-in-science-_b_1687024.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-galenson/collaboration-in-scien...</a> )</p> find absolutely great!!!, pos…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-07-24:2816864:Comment:895232012-07-24T01:43:46.520ZMarcelino Ferreiro Pazhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/MarcelinoFerreiroPaz
<p>find absolutely great!!!, possibly are still working on it, very interesting!. Thank You!</p>
<p>find absolutely great!!!, possibly are still working on it, very interesting!. Thank You!</p>