Artists, are you really inspired by science to create art from it? - SCI-ART LAB2024-03-29T07:22:57Zhttps://kkartlab.in/forum/topics/artists-are-you-really-inspired-by-science-to-create-art-from-it?commentId=2816864%3AComment%3A84333&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI can't say that science has…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-02-26:2816864:Comment:976062013-02-26T00:49:49.190Zmark.e.gouldhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/markegould
<p>I can't say that science has been a regular theme in my art up until now. I have thought about science as part of the overall internal creative process that I use and that evolves within me, and I am fascinated by science and science related themes. I come to this and other sites for knowledge and inspiration so that I might see how other artists are working with science related themes in their work, and to take part in discussions about these subjects. It's sad to read these comments and…</p>
<p>I can't say that science has been a regular theme in my art up until now. I have thought about science as part of the overall internal creative process that I use and that evolves within me, and I am fascinated by science and science related themes. I come to this and other sites for knowledge and inspiration so that I might see how other artists are working with science related themes in their work, and to take part in discussions about these subjects. It's sad to read these comments and think that artists somehow can't or won't feel the spark of being inspired to really work on science related art, beyond "being in awe" of science.</p>
<p>As an aside, if you think of people who work in CGI (computer generated imagery), special effects, 3D animation, etc., for many box office films by Pixar and other computer animation companies as artists, or as creatives, think of how inspired they are to create the worlds and visions they do for these 3D animated films. Not exactly fine art, but awe inspiring, for me. At one time I had hopes of working in that industry and it didn't happen for various reasons, without regrets. But think of how they must be inspired be science and work with scientists in some cases to make such visions a reality.</p>
<p>Back to the point. I too create mandalas, fractals, generative art produced by repetitive code based tools such as Processing or vvvv. Truly fascinating, although I'm not a programmer. But there's a lot of open source material that you can cut and paste and tweak your own variables to produce your own work. The more I read here, the more inspired I become! It's an ongoing interaction and I hope to show more in time.</p> Interesting. I am still doing…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-02-25:2816864:Comment:975962013-02-25T15:05:30.042ZMinnie W Shulerhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/MinnieWShuler66
Interesting. I am still doing fractal art but it has evolved. I have used it as action to explore art and graphing software. I did not want my pieces to look like just another fractal a machine created so I have learned to manipulate them.
Interesting. I am still doing fractal art but it has evolved. I have used it as action to explore art and graphing software. I did not want my pieces to look like just another fractal a machine created so I have learned to manipulate them. A reply by an artist on other…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-02-08:2816864:Comment:969192013-02-08T02:12:58.493ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>A reply by an artist on other site:<br></br> Nancy Lowe • I know this may be coming from left field, but I have a different view, influenced to a certain extent by Ellen Dissanyake's "What is Art For?" (art "behaviors" evolved in humans because they connected us, making art-making clans more likely to survive and reproduce). I also note that the art of any culture and time period connects people by reinforcing the dominant view, sometimes playfully, sometimes reverently, sometimes…</p>
<p>A reply by an artist on other site:<br/> Nancy Lowe • I know this may be coming from left field, but I have a different view, influenced to a certain extent by Ellen Dissanyake's "What is Art For?" (art "behaviors" evolved in humans because they connected us, making art-making clans more likely to survive and reproduce). I also note that the art of any culture and time period connects people by reinforcing the dominant view, sometimes playfully, sometimes reverently, sometimes critically.</p>
<p>I sense we are in a transitional time when art is gravitating toward science, not just for interesting content to play with but also because science has provided our creation stories -- big bang, early molecules of life, evolution -- and tells us who we are in nature. So I think we can look at artists not as serving the institutions of science, or the scientists, but serving this larger role of expressing and illuminating the dominant paradigms. As an artist, I am happy to "serve" science in that way, much as Michelangelo served the church, sand mandalas serve Tibetan Buddhism, Kachina dolls serve the stories of the Hopi, or the Futurists served the idea of industry. Neurologists have found that we are hard-wired for spiritual experiences -- as a non-theist, what do I do with that? I direct my awe, and my ability to evoke awe through art, to the magnificent stories of my day, those that science uncovers. I'm not suggesting this is every artist's role when they collaborate with scientists, but it's a role I seek to fill.</p> Why should visual artists tur…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-06-22:2816864:Comment:883362012-06-22T01:45:23.268ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Why should visual artists turn their attention to science? Because of its new materials and techniques, its strange metaphors, its controversies. An examination of science forces us to view our lives from new perspectives. It provides a new sense of scale, whether the artist is beguiled by cosmological vastness or molecular detail.</p>
<p><em>- Strange and Charmed</em> is the book to investigate the burgeoning interest in science which is evident in the work of many contemporary artists.</p>
<p>Why should visual artists turn their attention to science? Because of its new materials and techniques, its strange metaphors, its controversies. An examination of science forces us to view our lives from new perspectives. It provides a new sense of scale, whether the artist is beguiled by cosmological vastness or molecular detail.</p>
<p><em>- Strange and Charmed</em> is the book to investigate the burgeoning interest in science which is evident in the work of many contemporary artists.</p> Chris Bathgate: If you ask m…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-05-09:2816864:Comment:864582012-05-09T01:20:23.166ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p class="commenter" title="See this member's activity"><a class="commenter" href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&gid=4418915&memberID=87182565" title="See this member's activity"></a> Chris Bathgate: If you ask me "why science" I would say it is because I am uncomfortable leaving my decision making entirely up to whimsy, I enjoy having a frame work that is grounded in something "real and measurable" surround my work. It I think is what connects my imagination to the…</p>
<p title="See this member's activity" class="commenter"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMemberFeed=&gid=4418915&memberID=87182565" title="See this member's activity" class="commenter"></a> Chris Bathgate: If you ask me "why science" I would say it is because I am uncomfortable leaving my decision making entirely up to whimsy, I enjoy having a frame work that is grounded in something "real and measurable" surround my work. It I think is what connects my imagination to the real world and creates a common entry point for other people to access and understand me and my work.</p> Reply by an artist: In my cou…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-04-17:2816864:Comment:848422012-04-17T04:50:52.005ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Reply by an artist: In my country (USA) most scientific literacy ends at 10th grade if a student is not good at science or math … Our institutional and educational systems fail us as a citizenry when the wealth of our collective knowledge is cryptically removed because of lack of access, language and practice. One of my roles as an artist is to use culture and creativity to bring people into a more informed and critical relationship to technological and scientific environments.</p>
<p>Reply by an artist: In my country (USA) most scientific literacy ends at 10th grade if a student is not good at science or math … Our institutional and educational systems fail us as a citizenry when the wealth of our collective knowledge is cryptically removed because of lack of access, language and practice. One of my roles as an artist is to use culture and creativity to bring people into a more informed and critical relationship to technological and scientific environments.</p> Jadwiga B. Podowska • I think…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-04-16:2816864:Comment:847402012-04-16T02:49:48.613ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Jadwiga B. Podowska • I think that we live in times where the intellectual processes of art production are visible as never before. Thanks to conceptual art (?). I remember from my primary school how often it was boring in art classes. My last year at school I wrote a letter to the principal, suggesting that something was wrong and that art lessons looks like hobby activity. My letter did not change anything. Instrumental teaching continued. Today I can see that it was something I missed in…</p>
<p>Jadwiga B. Podowska • I think that we live in times where the intellectual processes of art production are visible as never before. Thanks to conceptual art (?). I remember from my primary school how often it was boring in art classes. My last year at school I wrote a letter to the principal, suggesting that something was wrong and that art lessons looks like hobby activity. My letter did not change anything. Instrumental teaching continued. Today I can see that it was something I missed in the art class; I think it was intellectual challenges, but then, I did not understand and could not find arguments. This instrumental teaching has probably prevented many capable students to choose art.<br/> As I see class can be very rough divided to students who have some kind of talent for sensual expression, but they are not as good at verbal. Another group - those who are very verbal, but their work is "cold" in expression –“very intellectual”. There are also those who have talent in both places. It may be that art must include all the intelligences, but intelligence has to be intelligent. Contemporary art stimulate for intellectual challenging approaches. For me art is research (Science) as long it just stands on the shoulders of Giants, but not copying them. Just like in science you have obligation to find something new. I found what I was searching for - in science – a space for understanding of life - in action.</p>
<p>There is great discussion about the art as research and new PhD for art.</p>
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<p><span><br/></span> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/-6o6ipk-h12ba60u-4n/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ahk.nl%2Ffileadmin%2Fdownload%2Fahk%2FLectoraten%2FBorgdorff_publicaties%2FThe_debate_on_research_in_the_arts.pdf/HJbe/?hs=false&tok=1kZtHilWD-olc1" target="_blank">http://www.ahk.nl/fileadmin/download/ahk/Lectoraten/Borgdorff_publi...</a> <span><br/></span> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/-6o6ipk-h12ba60u-4n/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sharenetwork.eu%2Fartistic-research-overview%2Fbibliography/7Bq1/?hs=false&tok=3TgUOatH3-olc1" target="_blank">http://www.sharenetwork.eu/artistic-research-overview/bibliography</a> <span><br/></span> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/e/-6o6ipk-h12ba60u-4n/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artandresearch.org.uk%2F/vyY-/?hs=false&tok=1vIK2WmNT-olc1" target="_blank">http://www.artandresearch.org.uk/</a></p>
<p><strong>My reply to her:</strong></p>
<p><span class="comment-body">Jadwiga, thank you for your thought provoking reply and the link to a beautifully created video. Coming from the field of science, I have a different set of standards and definitions for art and sometimes they are too high to the liking of some artists. Some, like you, understand, analyse and follow and some don't. I bring "Inventing or discovering something new " to the art field too and "creating something new" is my motive in art. Am I looking at art through the glass of science? Maybe I am. And I am happy with this approach because it enriches art and makes my work stand out. And I listen to art critics' views regarding science-art and think about them. And what is important to me is they all agree that my work is different from those of others in the arena and it is acceptable to them as art. That makes all the difference. Making people from the art field accept my work as real art is the success I cherish as I am not from the field. <br/> I am not comfortable with the idea of 'standing on somebody's shoulders'. I want to stand on my own and offer my shoulders, if possible, for others to stand on. <br/> The articles to whom you provided links are thought provoking too. Thank you very much. Your words - "I found what I was searching for - in science – a space for understanding of life - in action" are very heart warming. Now some sci-artists are understanding the true spirit of science and this understanding and deep respect for science will what make a world of difference to science-art. I am so happy with people like you.</span></p> Gary LaSasso • Hi Dr. Challa;…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-04-13:2816864:Comment:847132012-04-13T02:22:36.855ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Gary LaSasso • Hi Dr. Challa; (because silence is Golden, ? just kidding.!), As mentioned in Earlier posts, and in Conversation with Dr. Avi Friedlich, and Dr. Don Ambrose; I find, (found), it Amazing that Science Fiction Art, (scientific speculation), has almost no place in Science, and absolutely No place in the "Art World"..<br></br> You will not See a Sci Fi Painting in Any Gallery, or Museum, unless it is one of the rare & few Galleries devoted to this Genre'.. (unless it is 3 or 4…</p>
<p>Gary LaSasso • Hi Dr. Challa; (because silence is Golden, ? just kidding.!), As mentioned in Earlier posts, and in Conversation with Dr. Avi Friedlich, and Dr. Don Ambrose; I find, (found), it Amazing that Science Fiction Art, (scientific speculation), has almost no place in Science, and absolutely No place in the "Art World"..<br/> You will not See a Sci Fi Painting in Any Gallery, or Museum, unless it is one of the rare & few Galleries devoted to this Genre'.. (unless it is 3 or 4 Hundred years old).</p>
<p>..In fact Illustration in General, is the only Discipline not consider'd an "Art Form". ..Culinary Arts, Literary Arts, Music as art, Medical Arts, and all manner of "Fine Art", and so on, but very little if any Illustration as Art. And the irony is that a few short centuries ago, (pre-photographic), it was consider'd the Only Art. In fact All Art was Illustration, as there was not yet Many, if any Abstract forms of Expression in Art, Until the introduction of Camera's, Projectors, and Copying devices, invalidating that profession as simple replication of images, unless a distortion of sorts, is introduced, say in figurative renderings, which elevates the work in Value, to Fine Art, as in Expressionism...</p>
<p>..But the point is that, ironically, "Sci Fi in Art, & Film" seams to be the Closest Collaboration between Science & Art, and Most Solid Science started out as Illustration of a Scientific Speculation/s, whether simple Feynman Diagrams, or Copernican Extrapolations.. ..."Just saying"..? (lol)...</p>
<p>...Your Thoughts..?</p>
<p><strong>My reply:</strong></p>
<p>Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa • Thank you, Mr. La Sasso. In fact 'art' in the field of science has its origins in science illustrations. Now that science art is becoming cool, science illustrations are being claimed as 'science art' by several people working in this area! So now science illustrations are slowly getting the art tag too ( if several people repeats it over and over again, the media says it is true! )<br/> My personal opinion is real art is something that has some thinking went into its creation. Mere copying from modals, nature and specimens doesn't fit into artists' "definition" that art needs intelligence to create and needs as much effort as the scientific research does. Does science illustration fits into this "creative" frame? Now you tell me.<br/>
Is silence golden in forum discussions?!</p> I’m not a scientist and my ai…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-04-10:2816864:Comment:847812012-04-10T06:17:15.728ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>I’m not a scientist and my aim is not to necessarily contribute to science, but I’m interested in contributing to a discussion around some issues that relate very much to scientific methods and scientific practice as it moves into the cultural world . Although the manipulation of cells, tissue and other material is an activity often attributed to scientists, most BioArt practitioners would neither call themselves scientists nor have a scientific background. Therein lies the appeal. I think…</p>
<p>I’m not a scientist and my aim is not to necessarily contribute to science, but I’m interested in contributing to a discussion around some issues that relate very much to scientific methods and scientific practice as it moves into the cultural world . Although the manipulation of cells, tissue and other material is an activity often attributed to scientists, most BioArt practitioners would neither call themselves scientists nor have a scientific background. Therein lies the appeal. I think the interest in BioArt stems from the mystique of the lab and allowing laypeople to come into an area that is very specialized . “It’s something you only see on TV or in the odd news report.” That is why I am into Bio-art! - An artist</p> Thank you Mr. Ricketson, for…tag:kkartlab.in,2012-04-06:2816864:Comment:845262012-04-06T01:42:52.371ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Thank you Mr. Ricketson, for your nice reply. Science-art is actually mere copying from specimens and text books like children do in schools. You see this type most of the times in today's world. Artists who don't have much experience in science subjects go for it. And even scientists are doing this taking cues from the art world! Mine is science-based art. It is different and thought-induced and science-culture-based. And there is science and technology assisted art where you merely use…</p>
<p>Thank you Mr. Ricketson, for your nice reply. Science-art is actually mere copying from specimens and text books like children do in schools. You see this type most of the times in today's world. Artists who don't have much experience in science subjects go for it. And even scientists are doing this taking cues from the art world! Mine is science-based art. It is different and thought-induced and science-culture-based. And there is science and technology assisted art where you merely use science as tool to create art.</p>
<p>In my work, I try to balance both art and science.</p>
<p>I discussed all these things in science-art group. We have closed it for a few days because I am writing a book now. As soon as the book is published we will open it again.</p>
<p>I appreciate your interest in science-art.</p>