Comments - Tall claims and failing proof of science-art interactions! - SCI-ART LAB2024-03-28T09:43:50Zhttps://kkartlab.in/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2816864%3ABlogPost%3A93633&xn_auth=noI guess, I’d value an Arts de…tag:kkartlab.in,2019-12-26:2816864:Comment:1592402019-12-26T10:25:28.255ZSharathhttps://kkartlab.in/profile/Sharath
I guess, I’d value an Arts degree student too now!
I guess, I’d value an Arts degree student too now! I am a scientist, artist, wri…tag:kkartlab.in,2014-01-17:2816864:Comment:1133902014-01-17T03:37:00.914ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>I am a scientist, artist, writer, poet etc. etc.I communicate science through art and literature too. I fully agree with the above comment and not with the article.Science is not art. It is a different ball game altogether. Science's creativity is different from the creativity of art. Don't confuse one with the other. A scientist need not go deep into arts to be a real human being - science has a human aspect too. Don't waste your time on unnecessary things! Science has its own culture. Only…</p>
<p>I am a scientist, artist, writer, poet etc. etc.I communicate science through art and literature too. I fully agree with the above comment and not with the article.Science is not art. It is a different ball game altogether. Science's creativity is different from the creativity of art. Don't confuse one with the other. A scientist need not go deep into arts to be a real human being - science has a human aspect too. Don't waste your time on unnecessary things! Science has its own culture. Only thing is we have to do things in the right way. I wrote extensively on all these issues as I have experience in several fields and posted my articles on my science-art-literature interaction network. Artists, while training scientists in communicating science are using some unrealistic methods, which are making science communication a big joke.People say they are no way better now in understanding science after watching and seeing some science videos and art works done by artists! First of all do artists understand science as well as scientists do to put them in a better position? No! They argue with you, refuse to accept criticism, say scientists are mental animals, and drive you out of the collaborations! This is the real experience of some of the scientists collaborating with artists ( Before artists start attacking me,I want to emphasize here not all artists are bad, some are really good, I don't want to generalize people and things.) There is no proof till now that scientists who are engaging with artists are benefiting in any way till now. <br/> Yes, if scientists themselves communicate with the outside world through art and literature it is okay. If they learn better communication techniques - not the ones practiced by artists because some of the methods are cheap gimmicks - it is good. Don't scientists in the regions they grew up in know about their own cultures? Do they have to learn it again from the artists or through humanities? Use cultural practices to engage people more in science.<br/> After several years of experience, my advice is- engage with arts and literature on your own. Not with the people who practice them. Become better communicators using scientific methods. Science is not inferior to art in the communicating process - just remove the complicated jargon. Connect with people in the right way! These things will help you. <br/> <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-scientists-should-embrace-liberal-arts&posted=1#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-scientists-sho...</a></p>
<p>2344</p> tag:kkartlab.in,2013-12-14:2816864:Comment:1126052013-12-14T01:34:51.372ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
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<p><a href="http://yasminlist.blogspot.in/" target="_blank">http://yasminlist.blogspot.in/</a><br/> Read here how artists were trying to emphasize how they can help in S. research. After reading all that I think what they say is nothing new. Just a few artists helping scientists in getting though the environmental problems to laymen! Science communication!</p>
<p><a href="http://yasminlist.blogspot.in/" target="_blank">http://yasminlist.blogspot.in/</a><br/> Read here how artists were trying to emphasize how they can help in S. research. After reading all that I think what they say is nothing new. Just a few artists helping scientists in getting though the environmental problems to laymen! Science communication!</p> There is a real asymmetry on…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-08-07:2816864:Comment:1055822013-08-07T02:44:25.937ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>There is a real asymmetry on the international art science scene . In our recent SEAD White Papers Study for the NSF the demographics of some 200 people involved in the white papers only some 15% were practicing scientists and most of the scientists tend to think of involvement of the arts only for science education or dissemination purposes not for collaborations that nourish their scientific Research ! roger <br></br> Source:…</p>
<p>There is a real asymmetry on the international art science scene . In our recent SEAD White Papers Study for the NSF the demographics of some 200 people involved in the white papers only some 15% were practicing scientists and most of the scientists tend to think of involvement of the arts only for science education or dissemination purposes not for collaborations that nourish their scientific Research ! roger <br/> Source: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&srchtype=discussedNews&gid=1636727&item=260582529&type=member&trk=eml-anet_dig-b_mc-ttl-cn&fromEmail=&ut=0J89uQihsaVlQ1" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&srchtype=discussedNews&...</a></p>
<p><span class="comment-body">Reply to the above comment by an artist: In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist, that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger. There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish scientific research.</span></p> http://blogs.houstonpress.com…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-07-24:2816864:Comment:1042762013-07-24T01:25:50.366ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p><a href="http://blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2013/07/vilds_submerged_lacking_scienc.php" target="_blank">http://blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2013/07/vilds_submerged_lacking_scienc.php</a><br/> Here is another criticism that says the same!</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2013/07/vilds_submerged_lacking_scienc.php" target="_blank">http://blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2013/07/vilds_submerged_lacking_scienc.php</a><br/> Here is another criticism that says the same!</p> http://discovermagazine.com/2…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-06-30:2816864:Comment:1031152013-06-30T03:05:46.939ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2013/april/18-" target="_blank">http://discovermagazine.com/2013/april/18-</a>...<br></br> Controversies on artists' claims</p>
<p><a href="http://io9.com/7-bio-artists-who-are-transforming-the-fabric-of-life-i-558156053" target="_blank">http://io9.com/7-bio-artists-who-are-transforming-the-fabric-of-lif...</a></p>
<div class="reply-content"><p class="first-text">Some notes:</p>
<p>Project Pandrogeny ended in 2007 when Lady Jaye Breyer P-Orridge sadly…</p>
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<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2013/april/18-" target="_blank">http://discovermagazine.com/2013/april/18-</a>...<br/> Controversies on artists' claims</p>
<p><a href="http://io9.com/7-bio-artists-who-are-transforming-the-fabric-of-life-i-558156053" target="_blank">http://io9.com/7-bio-artists-who-are-transforming-the-fabric-of-lif...</a></p>
<div class="reply-content"><p class="first-text">Some notes:</p>
<p>Project Pandrogeny ended in 2007 when Lady Jaye Breyer P-Orridge sadly died.</p>
<p>Eduardo Kac never did anything with a rabbit. A lab was producing GFP bunnies, he hoped to buy one and bring it home, re-contextualizing an organism modified for scientific testing purposes as a domestic pet. Once he started talking about it, the lab balked, and changed their mind about bringing Alba home. Popular discussion (doubly) mistakenly talked about how an artist had made a "glowing" bunny, so a project that was entirely conceptual got turned into an imaginary act of artistic mad-sciencing.</p>
<p>Kac has drawn inspiration from Joe Davis from MIT, who has been working with inserting information into various organisms's DNA for a while, has designed artwork for space, built his own prosthetic leg, and a whole lot more. For some reason information on his projects has always been relatively scarce, despite being called "the father of bio-art."</p>
<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2013/april/18-creating-art-from-microbes-and-molecules#.UciT3-CTxSA" target="_blank">http://discovermagazine.com/2013/april/18-...</a></p>
<p>Gail Wight is another well-known artist working with biology, psychology, genetics and evolution. A "zoo kit" made of purified DNA of various zoo animals. A drug that (theoretically) dampens emotional response. Living sculptures and drawings made by manipulating various bacteria and slime-molds.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stanford.edu/%7Egailw/" target="_blank">http://www.stanford.edu/~gailw/</a></p>
<p>George Gessert has been shaping the evolution of plants specifically as part of his artistic practice since the '70s.</p>
<p>See also: The Tissue Culture & Art Project (growing living tissue "sculptures"), Anna Dumitriu (robotics, neuro-science, microbiology), Natalie Jeremijenko (robotics, plant biology), etc.</p>
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I was surprised that the author didn't mention Kac's flower that has his genes expressed in the veins of a petunia<br/>
<div class="reply-content"><p><a href="http://www.minnpost.com/arts-arena/2009/04/art-world-today-will-meet-edunia-eduardo-kacs-genetically-engineered-plantimal" target="_blank">http://www.minnpost.com/arts-arena/200...</a></p>
<p>Does anybody know if Kac actually participates in the biotech? The article gives me the impression that he pays technicians to make his "art" for him.</p>
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<p class="first-text">Last time I was in an art show with Kac (which admittedly was quite some time ago), a lab was doing the actual work of synthesizing the DNA and inserting it into organisms according to his specifications. (Except for the GFP bunny, which was an existing "product" he was simply hoping to buy.) But the art is bigger than just the organisms.</p>
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</div> Socratic Method by Kenneth J.…tag:kkartlab.in,2013-06-21:2816864:Comment:1026442013-06-21T02:50:56.297ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>Socratic Method by<br></br> Kenneth J. Maxwell…</p>
<p>“Convictions, when held too tightly, blind us in a way that traps us within our own opinions. Although this protects us from uncomfortable ambiguities and troublesome contradictions, it also makes us comfortable with stagnation and blocks the path to improved understanding. In other words, without the capacity to question ourselves the possibility of real thinking ceases. If people are not able to question their own ideas they cannot be…</p>
<p>Socratic Method by<br/> Kenneth J. Maxwell…</p>
<p>“Convictions, when held too tightly, blind us in a way that traps us within our own opinions. Although this protects us from uncomfortable ambiguities and troublesome contradictions, it also makes us comfortable with stagnation and blocks the path to improved understanding. In other words, without the capacity to question ourselves the possibility of real thinking ceases. If people are not able to question their own ideas they cannot be thoughtful at all. When unacknowledged or unquestioned assumptions dominate the mind, thoughtfulness becomes a danger and the human aspiration to improve and grow in understanding becomes a slave to fear. The goal of the Classic Socratic Method is to help people by freeing their desire for understanding from the harmful limitations that come through clinging to the false securities of their current knowing. People who experience the effect, which arises from being a recipient of the first phase of the Socratic Method are freed from the shackles of confidence in their knowing. This affords them the optional freedom of thinking about an issue with a greater quality of thoughtfulness. Reactions to this effect can be diverse. They range from embracing the experience with zeal to seeking to remove oneself from the situation.</p> 1115!tag:kkartlab.in,2013-05-24:2816864:Comment:1013412013-05-24T00:43:19.504ZDr. Krishna Kumari Challahttps://kkartlab.in/profile/DrKrishnaKumariChalla
<p>1115!</p>
<p>1115!</p>