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Q: Can 5 G cause corona virus infection?

Krishna: "Cause corona virus infection?" NO!

There is a conspiracy theory falsely claiming that 5G - which is used in mobile phone networks and relies on signals carried by radio waves - is somehow responsible for coronavirus. It started circulating in January in social media and  fall broadly in to two camps:

  • One claims 5G can suppress the immune system, thus making people more susceptible to catching the virus.
  • The other suggests the virus can somehow be transmitted through the use of 5G technology.

A Change.org petition used pseudo-science to support false claims about the health risks of 5G, which allegedly range from cancer to coronavirus. The petition’s founder, who goes by the name Delroy Chin, writes that radiation emitted from 5G towers sucks the oxygen out of the atmosphere and disrupts the regular functioning of the human body (1). Symptoms of 5G exposure include respiratory problems, flu-like symptoms (temperature rises, fever, headaches), pneumonia. Very much like the effects of the coronavirus. “Our bodies are 85 per cent water and the shortwave radiation increases the breakdown in our natural biology causing cancers and other serious health conditions,” it states. 

The petition 's now removed (2).

Phone masts across the UK have been torched or otherwise vandalised (4). Some celebrities are supporting this claim too (5).  

These notions are "complete rubbish", according to scientists. 5G uses an electromagnetic waveform that emits non-ionising radiations. The idea that 5G lowers your immune system doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The difference between 5G and previous generations of mobile services (4G, 3G) is that the latter uses lower radio frequencies (in the 6 gigahertz range), whereas 5G uses frequencies in the 30–300 gigahertz range. In the 30-300 gigahertz range, there’s not enough energy to break chemical bonds or remove electrons when in contact with human tissue. Thus, this range is referred to as “non-ionising” electromagnetic radiation.

Your immune system can be dipped by all sorts of things:  by being tired one day. If you had a disease recently, that too influences your body's fighting ability. Certain medicines you take also can dip your immune system's ability to fight infections. So does chemotherapy. It can also happen to people after organ transplants who take medicine to prevent organ rejection. Also, infections such as the flu virus, mono (mononucleosis), and measles can weaken the immune system for a short time. HIV, which causes AIDS, is an acquired viral infection that destroys important white blood cells and weakens the immune system. People with HIV/AIDS can become seriously ill with infections that most people can fight off. These infections are called “opportunistic infections” because they take advantage of weak immune systems. Your immune system can also be weakened by smoking, alcohol, and poor nutrition.

Those fluctuations can make you more susceptible to catching viruses.

While very strong radio waves can cause heating, 5G is nowhere near strong enough to heat people up enough to have any meaningful effect. Radio waves can disrupt your physiology as they heat you up, meaning your immune system can't function. But [the energy levels from] 5G radio waves are tiny and they are nowhere near strong enough to affect the immune system. There have been lots of studies on this.

Have a look at this image...

Photo source: CNN  | Graph showing where the higher range 5G frequencies land on the electromagnetic spectrum

The radio waves involved in 5G and other mobile phone technology sit on the low frequency end of the electromagnetic spectrum. Less powerful than visible light, they are not strong enough to damage cells - unlike radiation at the higher frequency end of the spectrum which includes the sun's rays and  x-rays used in medical technology.

It would also be impossible for 5G to transmit the virus. The present epidemic is caused by a virus that is passed from one infected person to another. It originated in animals first and then crossed over to human beings. The new coronavirus is a respiratory virus which spreads primarily through droplets generated when an infected person coughs or sneezes, or through droplets of saliva or discharge from the nose. 

Moreover, in countries like Iran, where 5G tech hasn't been deployed yet, the virus is causing havoc. 

Radiation can come into contact with the skin, for example, when we put a 5G mobile to our ear to make a call. This is when we’re most exposed to non-ionising radiation. But this exposure is well below the recommended safety level.

5G radiation can’t penetrate skin, or allow a virus to penetrate skin. There is no evidence 5G radio frequencies cause or exacerbate the spread of the coronavirus.

Also, the protein shell of the virus is incapable of hijacking 5G radio signals. This is because radiation and viruses exist in different forms that do not interact. One is a biological phenomenon and the other exists on the electromagnetic spectrum.

The WHO site also has  page that says 'a large number of studies have been performed over the last two decades to assess whether mobile phones pose a potential health risk. To date, no adverse health effects have been established as being caused by mobile phone use' (3).

However, if you share your phones, you might catch infection. 

COVID-19 spreads through small droplets released from the nose or mouth of an infected person when they cough, spit, sneeze, talk or exhale. Transmission occurs when the droplets come into contact with the nose, eyes or mouth of a healthy person.

So if an infectious person speaks through a phone held near their mouth, enough infectious droplets may land on its surface to make it capable of spreading the virus. This is why it’s not advisable to share mobiles during a pandemic. You should also regularly disinfect your mobile.

Updates: I found a paper that says non-ionising radiation might affect viruses indirectly to 'some' extent ...

Effects of Non-Ionizing Radiations on Viruses

This  discusses the effects of nonionizing radiations on specific biological activities of viruses. Both (ionizing and nonionizing) kinds of radiations are electromagnetic waves emitted in quanta and they differ from one another only in the ranges of their wavelengths. However, their effects on biological materials, such as viruses, differ greatly. When a quantum of UV is absorbed by a virus particle, the particle may be inactivated, but the probability that it will be inactivated is very small. Radiation energy absorbed by materials other than virus can affect the virus indirectly. The materials may be altered by radiations so that they may become harmful to the virus, or absorbed radiation energy may be transferred to virus and thus affect it. Any indirect effect of nonionizing radiations, such as UV or visible light, can be excluded if the virus can be well purified and if a nonabsorbing medium, such as water, is used. If, however, a medium contains materials that absorb these radiations, the possibility of indirect effects will exist. Although various changes in proteins and nucleic acids are known to be caused by radiations, there is at present no evidence to show which, if any, of these are relevant to the loss of biological activities of viruses.
Also, these papers throw some light on it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16342195
Effect of extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields (ELF-EMF) on Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpes virus in BCBL-1 cells.

Exposure to a 50 Hz electromagnetic field induces activation of the Epstein-Barr virus genome in latently infected human lymphoid cells.

 The EBV genome in latently infected lymphoid cells offers an opportunity to follow effects on the transcriptional and translational product clearly distinguishable from those of the host cell genome. Exposure of Akata cells, a human lymphoid cell line latently infected by the EBV genome, to a 50 Hz EMF resulted in an increased number of cells expressing the virus early antigens. This finding provides additional evidence that DNA can be modulated by a magnetic field.

As if We Needed It, a Major Review Just Confirmed 5G to Be Completely Safe

https://www.sciencealert.com/major-review-still-finds-5g-technology...

Two new scientific reviews have backed up all the previous research we've seen into 5G technology to date, finding that the next-generation connectivity standard doesn't pose any health risks.

The reviews looked back at 138 previous studies and reanalyzed over 100 experiments to look for possible dangers in the millimeter wave frequencies (low-level radio waves above 6 GHz).

While the research and scientific analysis will likely continue, this in-depth look at what we know so far about 5G and its associated technologies points to it being perfectly safe at the kinds of levels that people would be exposed to it.

"In conclusion, a review of all the studies provided no substantiated evidence that low-level radio waves, like those used by the 5G network, are hazardous to human health

While frequencies above 6 GHz have regularly been used in radar, medical instruments, and security equipment – like the airport screening scanners you have probably walked through – they're about to be used much more widely as 5G networks get rolled out worldwide.

Combing through the data and the reported results on genotoxicity (mutations), cell proliferation, gene expression, cell signalling, membrane function, and other biological effects, the researchers could find "no confirmed evidence that low-level RF fields above 6 GHz such as those used by the 5G network are hazardous to human health".

Where some biological effects were noted, they were generally not independently replicated, and they were in studies that lacked rigorous quality control methods, the researchers say – though we can surely expect even more, ongoing assessments into 5G in the years ahead.

Both studies have been published in the Journal of Exposure Science and Environmental Epidemiology here and here.

Q: Can cell phone towers have health effects because of the radiation?

Krishna: I know some people are worried. 

The widespread use of cell phones in recent decades has led to a large increase in the number of cell phone towers (also known as base stations) being placed in communities. These towers have electronic equipment and antennas that receive and transmit cell phone signals using radiofrequency (RF) waves.

Cell phone towers are still relatively new, and many people are understandably concerned about whether the RF waves they give off might possibly have health effects.

At this time, there’s no strong evidence that exposure to RF waves from cell phone towers causes any noticeable health effects. However, this does not mean that the RF waves from cell phone towers have been proven to be absolutely safe. Most expert organizations agree that more research is needed to help clarify this, especially for any possible long-term effects.

Cell phones communicate with nearby cell towers mainly through RF waves, a form of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum between FM radio waves and microwaves. Like FM radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and heat, they are forms of non-ionizing radiation. This means they do not directly damage the DNA inside cells, which is how stronger (ionizing) types of radiation such as x-rays, gamma rays, and ultraviolet (UV) rays are thought to be able to cause cancer.

The electromagnetic spectrum illustration above shows the possible frequencies of electromagnetic energy, ranging from extremely low frequencies (such as those from power lines) to extremely high frequencies (such as x-rays and gamma rays), and includes both non-ionizing and ionizing radiation.

At very high levels, RF waves can heat up body tissues. But the levels of energy used by cell phones and towers are much lower.

When a person makes a cell phone call, a signal is sent from the phone’s antenna to the nearest base station antenna. The base station responds to this signal by assigning it an available RF channel. RF waves transfer the voice information to the base station. The voice signals are then sent to a switching center, which transfers the call to its destination. Voice signals are then relayed back and forth during the call.

When RF signals are transmitted back and forth to the base station during calls, the RF waves produced at the base station are given off into the environment, where people can be exposed to them.

RF waves from a cell phone tower antenna, like those from other telecommunication antennas, are directed toward the horizon (parallel to the ground), with some downward scatter. Base station antennas use higher power levels than other types of land-mobile antennas, but much lower levels than those from radio and television broadcast stations. The amount of energy from RF waves decreases rapidly as the distance from the antenna increases. As a result, the level of exposure to RF waves at ground level is much lower than the level close to the antenna.

At ground level near typical cellular base stations, the amount of energy from RF waves is hundreds to thousands of times less than the limits for safe exposure set by regulatory authorities.

 It is very unlikely that a person could be exposed to RF levels in excess of these limits just by being near a cell phone tower.

When a cellular antenna is mounted on a roof, it is possible that a person on the roof could be exposed to RF levels greater than those typically encountered on the ground. But even then, exposure levels approaching or exceeding the FCC safety guidelines are only likely to be found very close to and directly in front of the antennas. If this is the case, access to these areas should be limited.

The level of energy from RF waves inside buildings where a base station is mounted is typically much lower than the level outside, depending on the construction materials of the building. Antennas are pointed away from the side of the building, and the energy level behind the antenna is hundreds to thousands of times lower than in front. On top of this, wood or cement block reduces the exposure to energy from RF waves by a factor of about 10. Therefore, if an antenna is mounted on the side of a building, the exposure level in the room directly behind the wall is typically well below the recommended exposure limits.

Some people have expressed concern that living, working, or going to school near a cell phone tower might increase the risk of cancer or other health problems. At this time, there isn't a lot of evidence to support this idea. Still, more research is needed to be sure.

Based on several studies published between 2008 and 2018, that are described in detail in the report by US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the conclusion is there is insufficient evidence to support a causal association between radiofrequency radiation (RFR) exposure and tumor formation.

So the National Toxicology Program (NTP, US) has not included RF radiation in its Report on Carcinogens, which lists exposures that are known to be or reasonably anticipated to be human carcinogens.

RF waves given off by cell phone towers don’t have enough energy to damage DNA directly or to heat body tissues. Because of this, it’s not clear how cell phone towers might be able to cause cancer. Some studies have found possible increased rates of certain types of tumors in lab animals exposed to RF radiation, but overall, the results of these types of studies have not provided clear answers so far.

Large studies published in 2018 by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) and by the Ramazzini Institute in Italy exposed groups of lab rats (as well as mice, in the case of the NTP study) to RF waves over their entire bodies for many hours a day, starting before birth and continuing for most or all of their natural lives. Both studies found an increased risk of uncommon heart tumors called malignant schwannomas in male rats, but not in female rats (nor in male or female mice, in the NTP study). The NTP study also reported possible increased risks of certain types of tumors in the brain and in the adrenal glands.

While both of these studies had strengths, they also had limitations that make it hard to know how they might apply to humans being exposed to RF waves from cell phone towers. A 2019 review of these two studies by the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) determined that the limitations of the studies didn’t allow conclusions to be drawn regarding the ability of RF energy to cause cancer.

Still, the results of these studies do not rule out the possibility that the RF waves used in cell phone communication might somehow impact human health.

Source: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cell...

Q: Why some young people too are dying because of Corona virus infection?

Krishna: Initially it was thought that only older people 're at risk. But now reality shows even young people could have fatal consequences. 

There can be a few reasons for this.

1. Even young people, because of their careless life styles, can have BP and heart conditions.

2. The amount of virus (microbial dosage or inoculum, the number of viral particles that cause infection) that infects an individual may have crucial outcomes. Small numbers of viral particles are more likely to be contained effectively by the body’s defenses. Then, infection may cause no symptoms or only mild disease. Get a huge dose which can lead to increased viral growth,  and your outcome may be worse. A person with a high viral load has more virus particles than one with a low load. Either your immune system can't cope as it would be overwhelmed  or can cause severe fatal reactions. Viral load is a deciding factor here. 

3. For some genetic susceptibility may be involved: in other words,  there are individuals whose genetic makeup leaves them more vulnerable to the virus as it spreads through their bodies. Viruses often gain access to host cells via surface proteins, which vary in presence and nature from person to person. Someone with no such surface proteins may be resistant to infection. In the case of HIV, for example, some people lack the receptors needed for viral infection and are not susceptible to the virus. So your genetic make up is responsible for the danger here. 

4. The route by which a virus enters the body also influences infection outcome. It’s possible that virus inhaled in the form of aerosolized droplets triggers different immune defenses than does virus acquired by touching contaminated surfaces and then touching one’s face. The nose and the lung differ in local defenses, so the route of infection could significantly affect the outcome.

5. The virulence of the virus.  Viruses differ in virulence — their capacity to damage host tissues or immunity — even when they are all the same species. This is why flu seasons vary in severity from year to year. The varieties of a virus such as coronavirus differ depending on small genetic characteristics and how these affect the interaction with human hosts. As the coronavirus spreads from person to person, it may undergo unique changes in its genetic structure that enhance or attenuate its capacity to do harm. Strains that are more virulent could lead to more severe disease.  How deeply into the lungs the viral particles penetrate is also a factor.

6. Which infections the immune system has fought in the past.   People’s immune status — especially their history of prior infectious diseases — crucially determines how they respond to a new infection. The immune system remembers previous encounters with microbes, and that affects how it fights and responds to new ones. In the case of dengue, infection with one type of the virus can make the individual more susceptible to infection with a different type of the same virus. In other situations, a recent infection with a virus can affect susceptibility to an unrelated new infection. For example, having had the flu before coronavirus infection could change the course of Covid-19 disease in unpredictable ways. When a person’s immune system has no memory of an infectious agent, it may be unable to rapidly respond, and this may allow the invader to escape detection, giving it more time to cause damage.

7. Gender: Men are more vulnerable than women and die more.

Taken together, these variables create a complex picture. The amount of virus, our genes, the route of infection, the variety of the virus and our immunological history combine to produce outcomes ranging from asymptomatic infection to death. And because these parameters can vary so much from infected person to infected person, it’s impossible to predict who will live and who will die. Therefore, despite accumulating evidence that most who acquire the coronavirus will not develop severe disease, the uncertainty of who is at grave risk enhances the pandemic’s terror.

So youngsters don't be so confident and careless.

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PS: Human lung proteins can advance or thwart SARS-CoV-2 infections

Researchers have taken an important step toward understanding the microscopic battle that plays out between our lung cells and the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19. A UC Berkeley-led study has identified specific proteins within our bodies that can promote or protect us from SARS-CoV-2 infections, potentially opening the door to new antiviral therapies.

New work  revealed new pathways that the  relies on to infect , as well as the antiviral pathways that help protect against viral . Notably, they showed that mucins—the main component of mucus found in the lungs—seem to help block the SARS-CoV-2 virus from entering our cells. The data suggest that mucins play a key role in restricting SARS-CoV-2 infection by acting as a barrier to viruses that are attempting to access our lung epithelial cells. It suggests that  expression levels in an individual's lungs may impact COVID-19 disease progression. Both the type and amount of mucus that each person produces may result in different outcomes for SARS-CoV-2 infection—and lead to different treatment strategies

Scott B. Biering et al, Genome-wide bidirectional CRISPR screens identify mucins as host factors modulating SARS-CoV-2 infection, Nature Genetics (2022). DOI: 10.1038/s41588-022-01131-x

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-07-human-lung-proteins-advance-...

Q: Can people without any symptoms transmit the disease?

Krishna: There are reports about both asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmissions. 

The first confirmation that the novel coronavirus could be transmitted by asy..., when a case study described a 20-year-old woman from Wuhan, China, who passed the coronavirus to five family members but never got physically sick herself.

A WHO report about the coronavirus outbreak in China, published in February, found few instances in which a person who tested positive never showed any symptoms. Instead, most people who were asymptomatic on the date of their diagnosis (a relatively small group anyway) went on to develop symptoms later. "The proportion of truly asymptomatic infections is unclear but appears to be relatively rare," the report authors wrote.

In the WHO study, 75 percent of people in China who were first classified as asymptomatic later developed symptoms, ProPublica reported. That means, technically, "presymptomatic transmission" is what's probably common.

Other research has reaffirmed these findings. A CDC study of coronavirus patients in a nursing home in Washington state's King County found that of 23 people who tested positive, only 10 showed symptoms on the day of their diagnosis. Ten people in the other group developed symptoms a week later.

Studies have confirmed that people 're shedding significant virus about 48 hours before symptoms appear. This helps explain how rapidly this virus continues to spread across a region, because we have asymptomatic transmitters and we have individuals who are transmitting 48 hours before they become symptomatic. Recent studies and reports suggest that presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission are not unusual.

A small study among Japanese ex-pats evacuated from Wuhan in February revealed that 30.8 percent of people who tested positive showed no symptoms. 

An especially troubling aspect of presymptomatic transmission is that people seem to shed more coronavirus in the earlier stages of their infection. But the average symptom onset takes five days.

Don't get disheartened. There is a precaution to check this: Wearing masks could help reduce presymptomatic transmission.

Q: How can we disinfect surfaces? How long can the virus survive on various surfaces?

Krishna: Coronaviruses could be "efficiently inactivated" on surfaces within one minute if they're cleaned with solutions containing  70% ethanol alcohol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide, or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite.

A recent study found that the COVID-19 coronavirus can survive up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The researchers also found that this virus can hang out as droplets in the air for up to three hours before they fall. But most often they will fall more quickly.

But scientists also add this: In a laboratory experiment, the conditions are pretty carefully controlled and constant. By comparison, "in the real world, conditions fluctuate" — conditions like temperature, humidity and light. So the survivability or ability to infect may vary, too. Confusing? Welcome to the Corona world! 

Q: A medical doctor on You Tube says you can touch and read news papers after an hour. Is this true?

Krishna:  Hmmm! One hour is not enough, according to reports.

One colleague reminded me that news papers these days are coming with plastic coats. The shiny things you love. And the virus can stay for three days on plastic! Some papers are porous, some not so much. So the answer should be it depends on the paper! Different coatings and types of paper will give different results. Some say four hours, some 24 hours. Some studies estimate they can survive up to 3 hours to 3 days depending on the type of paper.

Even the WHO is not certain! https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

So, to be on the safe side, I collect the news paper and put it on the floor in the balcony where the temperature is high and sunlight is abundant, hoping that they would inactivate the virus particles if present,  and thoroughly wash my hands with soap and water.

I will pick it up again after six-seven hours in the evening to read it. 

In these uncertain times, you can't say anything with certainty and  that something is an established fact. Reports and data are getting changed very often. There is confusion all around. Just use the knowledge available through preliminary reports, think what is the best thing to follow, do it and hope that it would work. 

Q: How can a person catch corona virus when they have not been in contact with someone who has it, have not travelled to a country where there is an outbreak, not been to an area where a person with COVID-19 has been?

Still, you can protect yourself from these hitch-hikers. Like this …

Krishna KumariChalla (కృష్ణ కుమారి చల్లా)'s share of "PSA Grocery S...

Q: A doctor asked me this Q - What should be the first priority of a doctor; his/her own safety and health or patient's health?

Krishna: There are some professions that demand your complete dedication. Lives of people who work in these fields belong to the World/Universe and no longer their own.

That ‘s considered as old thinking but can still be true in this age.

If a soldier doesn’t think in this way, he might run away from the battle field. All soldiers know protecting their motherland is over and above their own lives.

So do some scientists: they spend most of their lives in labs. Some work in highly dangerous situations. Heard about vulcanologist dealing with deadly volcanoes? Microbiologists dealing with deadly pathogens?

These people have their own families, children and parents who depend on them. But still they do what is needed or demanded of them without caring for their own lives.

Medical Doctors belong to this category too.

But, we can protect ourselves by taking all precautions. Only if we are alive, can we serve more people, save more people. Look after our families and close relatives.

We have knowledge enough to take care of ourselves. Don’t we? We can serve others as well as save ourselves while doing so.

A deadly disease like COVID19 is bringing up questions like these, as many health care workers are getting infected and some are even losing their lives. That puts heavy strain on health care system. If many doctors become sick or die, who will save the patients? That is why we talk about Flattening the Curve and take measures to control the outbreak.

Scientists are preparing models to cope with the situation. Some governments are taking these models into consideration while taking policy decisions. Some are ignoring them and facing the severe consequences.

If you listen to scientists, take all the steps to have the situation under control, you can save as many doctors as possible as well as patients and keep the toll to a minimum on both fronts. We need not sacrifice one for the sake of another.

Doctors can follow the instructions given by scientists and other experts, protect themselves by following the rules strictly as well as take care of patients.

If you have no other go but follow the orders, your profession’s high standards follow them by taking all precautions, go to the corona war zone knowing fully well that you are basing your instincts on scientists’ knowledge which is in a way your high grade weapon, and treat the patients and save their lives.

Nobody can live forever. If you can use your short life for others’ welfare, that is the noblest thing you can do and put your life to the best use. That is why medical profession is considered as one of the noblest. But try to save yourself too while doing so. You need not sacrifice yourself unnecessarily. But if that sometimes becomes a collateral damage, you have to accept that too.

We live in an uncertain world now. All that we can do is use our available knowledge to do our best on all fronts. When we have that weapon, we need not choose one. We can have best of both worlds. We not try this mantra? :)

Q: From the same doctor as above ...

Thank you for the answer. Your answer describes the nobleness of the profession in an ideal situation.

But,

I would like to add something, to which you may respond.

The question arose especially in Indian context, need to consider following points.

  1. Scarcity of PPE. The ideal PPE is not easily available.
  2. I have come a cross incidences where patients have tried to hide the travel history which later on revealed and created trouble for many. The same has been experienced by many friends as well. Even they try to hide respiratory symptoms!
  3. Rising violence and suits against doctors. I have heard of an incidence where a person has claimed that he got Corona after visiting the clinic and sue the doctor.
  4. I have few experiences, where patient’s relatives take doctors as a service provider, they thinks service has to be given against money; its okay if a doctor takes the high risk but when it comes to them they back off.

A Soldier takes the due risk, a doctor takes the due risk associated with the profession. But here the situation is different. Ideally we should operate any patient with PPE in today’s time, now if PPE is not available, then what? Should we refuse? Should we go ahead with whatever is available? If a soldier is not given the weapon, should he fight?

Krishna: 

Yes, I am familiar with these situations. Media is reporting them. Just day before yesterday a Tablighi Jamaat meeting (organised at Nizamuddin, Delhi), attendee died of Corona virus in Hyderabad. His brothers attacked the doctors treating him. In what way the doctors are responsible for his death?

I am also aware of a situation where an old woman ( she was 80 then and , my relative) who was treated for pericardial effusion ( the fluid had been drained), was put in ICU for just three days, and sent home as the doctors ‘felt’ she ‘s okay and was asked to come back for a check up after a week. But she developed cardiac dysrhythmia , blood clots and that resulted in a brain stroke within two days. She was immediately taken to the hospital that treated her earlier, but the cardiologists refused to treat her and asked her children to take her to a neuro- surgeon/ neurologist. The lady sadly died within three days. The neuro surgeon clearly stated that even cardiologists had to treat her because she had arrhythmia and should’t refuse to treat her saying that brain stroke ‘s the only problem. The doctors are responsible for this mix up and the death of the lady here. But my relatives took this in their stride and never complained!

We read/hear about such stories too where the doctors are at fault.

If I think about all this neutrally, each case has its own different conclusion.

I think these situations arise because of ignorance (on part of patients), uncontrolled emotions ( disease and death cause them), fear ( of castigation) negligence (on part of doctors). During stressful situations, your brain stops thinking in a proper manner and doctors are under severe pressure now because of work load, unfavourable conditions and patient behaviour. How can they work with cool minds?

This is a vicious cycle.

Inadequacy of public relations, inadequacy of education, mismanagement of stress, paucity of funds and we can go on like this with the list of causes of these effects.

But doctor, individual PPE doesn’t cost much. Please visit this page: Personal Protective Equipment . The corporate hospitals and even doctors can afford them to protect themselves, if they are not provided by their management. Maybe good ones cost more. Government says lockdown is causing this scarcity. No country is in a position to export or import them as this is a sudden development with gigantic proportions.

Do you know some of us, microbiologists who are working with the deadly pathogens in dangerous labs, also don’t have PPE’s? Microbiologists are buying them on line with their own money! And test centres are also complaining that they don’t have proper PPE supply. Everybody is complaining.

Can’t we get creative? Jugaad! That is the solution now. Countries around the world are beginning to adopt jugaad in order to maximize resources in these difficult situations.

MCI is Protecting Doctors against Unjust Prosecution: Medical Council Of India Approves Guidelines. Protecting Doctors against Unjust Prosecution: Medical Council Of I... I think we can manage the situation in a better way now.

For every problem there is a solution.

If I am a soldier, and no weapon is given to me but asked to go to the war, I will make my own weapon in my own creative way, use mind games while dealing with the better equipped enemy, and fight to win. That is my way of doing things.

I know not all will be like me but what else can you do? You complain. There won’t be any response most of the time. A difficult situation like the one we have now makes things worse. But you just can’t sit and watch when people are dying. You have to do something.

What that something is should be decided by your intelligence.

Q: Can herd immunity save India from CORONA virus?

Krishna: Herd immunity should always come from vaccines for deadly infections like COVID19, not from the disease itself. 

 Epidemiologists argue that in order to get heard immunity for any new disease , in most  cases, 80 to 95 percent of the population must be immune to the disease to stop its spread. So if we don’t have a vaccine – as we don’t for COVID-19 – achieving herd immunity would require a significant proportion of the population to be infected and recover from COVID-19. The percentage of the population that needs to be immune to enable herd immunity depends on how transmissible a disease is. This is measured by the term R0, which is how many new infections each case will generate. For COVID-19, the R0 is estimated to be 3.28, though studies are still ongoing and this number will probably change. This means that for herd immunity, about 70% of the  population would need to be immune to COVID-19. If atleast 70% of the population is allowed to get the disease ( that figure will be in millions for India) and   current estimates are that COVID-19 has a 2.3% case-fatality rate and a 19% rate of severe disease. This means that achieving herd immunity to COVID-19 in any country for that matter  could result in the deaths of  millions of people with a further several million severe infections requiring critical care overwhelming the health care system. 

With atleast  70% of the population getting the infection and millions dying from it, will there be any meaning to herd immunity afterwards? What would you be doing with it? Even if you get immunity, you won't be able to tell now how long it would last. What about reinfections? What if the virus gets  mutated after we achieve herd immunity?  (Although we know that this virus is a bit stable one and doesn't mutate frequently)
Is the risk worth taking?
Things to ponder.
UK abandoned the thought, rightly so. 
Just framing models to understand things in a better way is okay, IF- that is a big IF - we get them right. But in reality will they have practical purposes or benefits?
Q: Can a person who got cured of corona virus get reinfected?
Krishna: There  have been cases where  the coronavirus might have been “reactivated” in people who have been recovered-from-corona, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

More than a hundred patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the CDC said in a briefing recently. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine.

There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another. This is puzzling the scientists.

A patient is deemed fully recovered when two tests conducted with a 24-hour interval show negative results.

Updates on this: Now, a May 19, 2020 report from the Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that samples from “reinfected” patients don’t have infectious viruses. The finding hints that the diagnostic tests are picking up on the genetic material from noninfectious or dead viruses. That lack of infectious virus particles means these people aren’t currently infected and can’t transmit the coronavirus to others, the researchers say (6).

Update: Yes you can get reinfected. The picture is clear now. 

Please note that the answers given here on COVID-19 are old - based on preliminary work. Much water has flown under the bridge since then. And new data is available now.

References: 

1. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/coro...

2. https://www.change.org/p/christians-stop-the-nwo-and-their-5g-tech-...

3. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/electromagnetic-fi...

4. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/06/at-least-20-uk-p...

5. https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/woody-harrelson-sharing-coronavirus-c...

6. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-reinfection...

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Q:If 40-70% of the population will be infected with COVID-19 eventually, is there any point in trying to evade it? Wouldn’t I be better off to get it early and build immunity?
Krishna: Why shouldn’t I be in the rest 60 to 30 percent? Till a vaccine is developed?

Because Those Who Recover From Coronavirus Can Be Left With Reduced Lung Fu...

Some patients might have around a drop of 20 to 30% in lung function, after they recover. They gasp if they walk a bit more quickly. Current coronavirus patients' CT scans show "ground glass," a phenomenon in which fluid builds up in lungs and presents itself as white patches, as Business Insider's Aria Bendix has reported. The scans below, taken from one coronavirus patient at different points in time, show that the person's "ground glass" became more pronounced as their illness progressed.

If too much of the lung is damaged and not enough oxygen is supplied to the rest of the body, respiratory failure could lead to organ failure and death.

What does the coronavirus do to your body? Everything to know about...

Even if I recover, my body becomes weak in some respect making it prone to other illnesses.

Even heart , apart from lungs get weak after the infection: Why some heart patients may be especially vulnerable to COVID-19

Neurological problems were detected in some severely infected patients: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-neurologic-effects-hospitali...

Moreover, we don’t yet know how long our immunity stays when once infected.

Then there’s the February 14 article from Caixin, a Beijing, China-based media group, that was entitled “14% of Recovered Covid-19 Patients in Guangdong Tested Positive Again.” It warned of such reinfection possibilities.

They survived the coronavirus. Then they tested positive again. Why?

Do You Get Immunity After Recovering From A Case Of Coronavirus?

It’s still unknown whether those people were truly reinfected or still just had low levels of the virus in their systems after they felt better.

For coronaviruses that cause the common cold (in the same family of viruses as the one that causes Covid-19), according to virologists, reinfection is possible, but on a timescale of years, not weeks or months. Again, we’re going to have to wait and see if this also applies to Covid-19. For now, except for a few reports, we have not seen any data that is convincing that reinfection really occurs.

The amount of immunity that you build up after being exposed to any virus depends on not only virus itself but your immune system and its response as well.

Coronavirus infections and immune responses

The immune response to one virus won’t necessarily be the same as to another virus, even if both viruses were different types of coronaviruses.

Even if people do become immune, “one thing we don’t know about that still is how long that immunity would last,” according to experts. And that’s not something we can determine until we wait months or years in the future, and test again and see if those antibodies are still there.

And what if I get infected with a mutated strain of the virus again? The first immunity built up in my body won’t be able to stop this mutated strain. So I can get a second infection which might prove fatal because of the ‘weakness’ caused by the first infection.

And there is a problem of co-infections. Human coronavirus alone or in co-infection with rhinovirus C is a r...

The role of infections and coinfections with newly identified and e...

If many people think like you do, it will overwhelm the health sector, increasing the mortality rate and we will lose the fight of ‘flattening the curve’.

You might increase the chances of more infections by getting it yourself.

So I try my best not to get the infection. And as a microbiologist I think vaccination gives me a better protection without suffering the consequences of actually getting the infection than getting it from it.

No, I am going to fight it. Not going to meekly surrender. I am going to take precautions till a vaccine is developed. Then take the vaccine and stay healthy.

And I advice everybody to follow me. Don’t give up without even starting the fight.

Why do you think the scientists are working day and night to develop a vaccine? Why do you think the health care providers putting their lives at risk?

Please don’t let their efforts go waste. Please co-operate and try not to contribute to more problems.

Thank you.

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Q: Why don’t people in the cities just move to the countryside to escape the coronavirus?

Krishna: Indian media is reporting stories in which a few people are building temporary houses on trees outside their villages, shelters on just empty grounds, in their fields and living there. These are just a few people. But majority of people can’t do that for various reasons.

A Major Review Just Confirmed 5G to Be Completely Safe

Two new scientific reviews have backed up all the previous research we've seen into 5G technology to date, finding that the next-generation connectivity standard doesn't pose any health risks.

The reviews looked back at 138 previous studies and reanalyzed over 100 experiments to look for possible dangers in the millimeter wave frequencies (low-level radio waves above 6 GHz).

While the research and scientific analysis will likely continue, this in-depth look at what we know so far about 5G and its associated technologies points to it being perfectly safe at the kinds of levels that people would be exposed to it.

"In conclusion, a review of all the studies provided no substantiated evidence that low-level radio waves, like those used by the 5G network, are hazardous to human health

While frequencies above 6 GHz have regularly been used in radar, medical instruments, and security equipment – like the airport screening scanners you have probably walked through – they're about to be used much more widely as 5G networks get rolled out worldwide.

Combing through the data and the reported results on genotoxicity (mutations), cell proliferation, gene expression, cell signalling, membrane function, and other biological effects, the researchers could find "no confirmed evidence that low-level RF fields above 6 GHz such as those used by the 5G network are hazardous to human health".

Where some biological effects were noted, they were generally not independently replicated, and they were in studies that lacked rigorous quality control methods, the researchers say – though we can surely expect even more, ongoing assessments into 5G in the years ahead.

Both studies have been published in the Journal of Exposure Science and Environmental Epidemiology

5G mobile networks and health—a state-of-the-science review of the research into low-level RF fields above 6 GHz
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Meta-analysis of in vitro and in vivo studies of the biological effects of low-level millimetre waves
Exposure Metrics Several studies (30) reported both SAR and PD, allowing an assessment of their ratios. This showed an average ± SE ratio of 1.75 ± 0.41 W/kg/W/m 2 , for 28 estimates (two outlying values of 600 and 142 were excluded). In adult humans, this ratio is up to 0.01 W/kg/W/m 2 [ 9 , 10 ]. The in vitro and in vivo exposure systems have in general been designed to produce efficient coupling between the MMW source and the biological material (reflected in the SAR/PD ratio). Although there is a plethora of different exposure systems, and at many different frequencies, the relatively small range may indicate that in general, the assumptions made in SAR computation could be correct. It also justifies our including the 6 studies in which the SAR was measured alone, since using this ratio would imply similar PD values to those we have considered. The high SAR to PD ratio implies that it is difficult to apply findings from in vitro or in vivo experiments to human exposure situations, since PDs at the limit values will yield SARs, in the in vitro experiments, capable of producing significant rises in temperature. In many of the experiments measures were taken to prevent temperature rise (using temperature-regulated water jackets, for example) but the possibility of ‘hot spots’ within the tissues or cell systems studied remains. The two studies with high SAR/PD ratios used modelling techniques that allowed the estimation of maximum SAR values. Since these values are the ones reported in the respective abstracts, they have been used in this analysis. In fact, we have noted a large variation in the way SAR values have been estimated and reported. Many have attempted to estimate SAR in the sample region in which the biological material is situated, but others have used less rigorous procedures. We have used reported values rather than attempting to estimate a standardised measure (such as 10 g average) but we note that there can be ratios of maximum to sample-averaged values of SAR of at least one order of magnitude. The same variability applies to reported PD values, where the point at which this has been estimated has not always been made clear. The issue of attenuation of PD in intervening layers of sample containers or media has not been addressed in most of the studies. To a certain extent, the amount of rigor involved in dosimetry estimates has been reflected in QS estimates, but this is not a fine enough measure to adequately capture the large variation in rigor or to compensate for differences in the way PD has been reported. Effect size We have used Glass’s definition of ES (the difference between exposed and sham condition, divided by the SD of the sham condition) [ 6 ]. The more usual definition is to consider the pooled SD of exposed and sham conditions, but because of the variation in experimental designs, the simpler definition was adopted. There is not expected to be substantial difference between the two estimates. The estimates are i

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