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Should we follow rules to create Art?
I feel what comes naturally from the depth of the human mind & the bottom of the heart is the real art. It should not be fenced in & allowed to suffocate. The artist has the right to present it to the world in the way he wants-the way he visualizes it in the box above his shoulders-provided it doesn't harm the society & hurt anybody. This natural art with all its variations that all the human neuron evolution could gather has a charm of its own. Asking it to follow certain rules is like asking the human brain to evolve in only one direction-the direction of stagnation & stunted growth.
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Permalink Reply by Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa on
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Reply by margo buccini 16 hours ago
How very true.
This is so beautifully expressed.
An artist following rules is like a caged bird singing.
I always tell my students to hurry up and learn the rules so that they may break them confidently.
Thank you for sharing this meaningful piece. Love & peace, margo
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Reply by Eleonora Ruffo Giordani 16 hours ago
The art be the most intimate expression of the divine in man, and therefore can not follow it schemes but have the task of promoting the beauty and spread the grace, the charm, harmony ...
The competition artistic is an stonatura human that penalizes free expression of the Art. Because all the Arts deserves respect.
Thank you Krishna!
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Reply by Netta Yudkevich 12 hours ago
Dear Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa:
Not everything is art. Not everything is great art, worth to be shown, played, published.
One of my concerns is how to protect my grandchildren from tasteless movies, books, and etc.; ho to teach them to distinguish show business, enterteiment and art.
Any way, I would suggest you to read my article "Meaning of Art" at mywebsite www.yunett.weebly.com. It is just some more extensive participation in the discussion you placed.
With all respect,
Netta Yudkevich.
Margaret Ann Matich-Kaney Permalink Reply by Margaret Ann Matich-Kaney 7 hours ago
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I believe what comes from the center of the heart and embodies the soul through the mind's eye is the real art.
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Permalink Reply by Theonesoul on
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Good theme my dearest sister,
The art is known as universal language and art cannot be learnt or taught...
Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music and literature so .. where will we start the rules and where will we stop?
As Art expresses senses or emotions we can not follow rules....
But People like to put people in the box to have control over eachother...
Art Universities are in my mind just to make money for the country ....
You can not learn ART
In gratitude,
theonesoul
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Yes, my dear sister. Except for a few techniques which improves our presentation, art creation should not be
put into a box.
Krishna
Theonesoul said:Good theme my dearest sister,
The art is known as universal language and art cannot be learnt or taught...
Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music and literature so .. where will we start the rules and where will we stop?
As Art expresses senses or emotions we can not follow rules....
But People like to put people in the box to have control over eachother...
Art Universities are in my mind just to make money for the country ....
You can not learn ART
In gratitude,
theonesoul
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Reply by Danial Six 18 hours ago
I have never considered their to be any rules that solely apply to art. For even the basics we learn in art class can be bent and molded to apply to an exact opposite of particular works. I find some of my best pieces of work come from when I break the rules. To say you can't do this or that cause it's not in the, "artist rule book." is like saying to water, "You can't flow like that." Water flows as it see fit to flow.
I never encourage my students to follow the rules. But rather to allow the creative forces to set the tempo for them.
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Thanks for your reply, Minnie. I am not a trained artist. I paint from my inner vision. I am self- taught & never followed anyone or any type of art. When I first started my art from science there is no one who did these type of paintings before.
I searched the entire net but couldn't find any information. So I created my work following instructions from my own mind!
I didn't even know the correct techniques! But when the world appreciated my work, I realized I did it right. However, if I had to do the same again, I feel I can do my work a little bit better now. It is because I have grown as an artist with the experience I gathered. I am a Natural artist. And I have my own simple style. I set a trend. And I am happy about it.
Krishna
Minnie W. Shuler said:"Those who copy others art (including their photographs) are palgerest...not artists." Second thoughts, I may be a little harsh here. I know that in the process of learning even to draw almost everyone relies on those who have gone before us. Artist used (they may still) to sit in the museums and copy the works of the great masters. No one stopped them. It was encouraged. Perhaps plagerism is too great an acusation. Student of another's work maybe. But, the photographer or other artist made all of the big decisions.....the composition, the lighting, the perspective, etc. and you will not grow, I don't think, as much as you should as long as you just copy. I admire the work of Samuel Custis. He photographed the American Indian. Perhaps I will pick one of his photographs and try to copy it to see how much creativity it does take. There are some artists who take a photograph and color it with the computer. Different set of skills entirely. They are not drawing it but what they do is very creative. I still consider them artists. Hmm..... Even with my fractal creations, the computer draws each separate fractal, I take them and colorize them and try many different combinations before I come up with a composition and lighting and coloring that I am happy with. I consider that art also, the machine did the drawing. I am tumbling my own theory.
Minnie W. Shuler said:I think an artist soaks up color, light, form, imagination......and things they put in their heart. From this chaos they refine something wonderful that comes out organized. Sometimes a knowledge of certain rules for mixing colors, capturing perspective, drawing realistically or abstractly is essential for you to create what you want to do. I do not discredit artists of great technical skills.....but I do those that just copy a photograph or someone else's ideas. I find these distinctions help me decide if the art has merit. Those who copy others art (including their photographs) are palgerest...not artists. Those who copy a photograph of their own have great technical skills, and for this reason their art has some merit. Those who paint using a refrence photo for some part of it have developed a great creative talent. Those who paint from their inner vision show their pure talent. Those who can envision and paint emotions, the future or illuminate the darkness of the past exhibit pure artistic genious and it is a gift to us all. Those who use an overhead projector or Lucidia Camera as a crutch have not developed their technical skills well enough. They are not exhibiting pure talent, but using a crutch to make their work look better than they can do it on their own or at least they think they can't do it on their own....their use of the drawing to completion shows many of them could do it on their own if they weren't dependant on a crutch. Michael Angelo, when he applied for the job of painting the Cistine Chapel, is said to have painted one perfect circle. It got him the job, because his artistic gifts had been developed perhaps better than the others. Take one flower, do a thumbnail sketch for the composition, fix your light source and use that one flower to do a whole bouquet...you might be surprised at what you are capable of. I don't think that breaking the rules just to show you can makes a great piece of art or a necessarily great artist. I think achieving the effect you want in your art by being able to jump any hurdles needed so you can bring your idea to suitable fruitation is what makes and artist satisfied and successful (in his/her own opinion).
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Lovely expression!
Krishna
Inho said:Creation arises spontaneously.
Awareness desires.
Energy moves.
Balance and resonance, infinite and eternal,
In patterned movement of energy in being,
Ever created by desire.
For creation, rules are set:
Movement is determined by information,
The patterns of the movements of energy.
Creation moves by information.
Creation embodies information.
No thing appears without information.
The extent of the consciousness of the Creative information
Determines the extent of an artist's creation.
The greater the consciousness,
The more effortless and automatic the creation.
Greater creations embody the more exacting and effective rules,
Complex, yet not complicated,
Unified, yet multidimensionally effective;
Effective in generating movement,
And thus weaving into and amplifying Creation.
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Learning helps us to improve the techniques a bit but at the end of the day every artist has to create his own style- formulate his own rules. What is the use of human mind if people can't think in an innovative way & just follow others? Had Einstein thought in the same way as people before him the world would never have heard about the theory of relativity. I have seen some students imitating their teachers- creating art just the same way their teachers do. Creating "Carbon Copies" is an art itself so they are artists too! Some imitate old masters & other people who "influenced or inspired" them.
Every person who tries to create a new trend has to face these criticisms. It is the confidence & satisfaction in them that make these people what they are. If the world says it is snobbery it doesn't matter.
I am not influenced by anyone or anybody. This is a fact! Am I an island? I won't be anymore because I am pretty sure somebody somewhere will definitely get influenced by my style & study & follow me! And I know I won't be alone for long! Do I sound arrogant? Maybe I am because I am a confident path (or rule) breaker!
Krishna
Minnie W. Shuler said:If you are happy with it that is fine. But, please don't classify others who do study as 'not artist' just because they choose to follow some tried and proven rules to make their art. I believe that is art also and also comes deep from within. That would after all be the most confining rule of all...you can't follow any rules to be an artist or you have to be self-taught to be an artist. I love beautiful art of many different styles. Rejecting the all inclusiveness of art would be the epetimy of snobbery. I really don't care, to be honest, how they made it. I believe that I can be taught many things and can influence others and I am happy to accept that for myself and others. I am grateful for teachers and those who share their talents, I think the world is a better place because of them. Art is no exception. I am of the opinion that 'no man is an island' and it would be next if not completely impossible to not be influences by those around us.
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Reply by Dr. Pramod Rai , self portrait Hello Dr. Krishna ,
During the earlier periods [ renaissance era , impressionists , neo-impressionist ] , artists used to paint realistic and to paint in that style they followed the rules of composition [ subject and color ] and perspective to make their paintings beautiful . Even today , when one paints realistic , has to follow certain rules .......
when one evolves from form to abstract [ more spritualistic ] then those rules become obscure ......and then what you say is relevent ...the world beyound form is not ruled by physical laws ..... you express freely as your responsive mind directs !!!!!!!!!!
Shanthi C Permalink Reply by Shanthi C
Hi,
I have been thinking about your question for sometime. I think it depends on who sets the rules. If you are going by a book that gives step by step instructions, then you are just working on the techniques and following the directions of the author. If you are in a class, then it is the teacher. But if you are painting by yourself, it is you who sets the rules. How much you want it to conform to the world and the others is up to you. I mean, the different schools or styles and the kind of viewers you would like to have.
But then, at another level, it helps artists to set their own rules. Be it realistic or abstract. It helps to narrow down your options, and gets you going. Eventually, you start to break these rules. And it is ok. They were set by you. When you are painting, every stroke made is a decision made, consciously or unconsciously. It is all in the mind.
Ryan Seslow Permalink Reply by Ryan Seslow
Great Points made here by all!! wow thank you for posting this. It is incredibly helpful as we wrap our thoughts and feelings around the energy itself. As artists we have to also know that at some point, the other part of us is the viewer. Just as if someone comes to look at our work. So are both parts of that, artist and not-artist. We must be able to see through the eyes of both with open acceptance. Just as we exist here both physically ( physical laws ) and non physically ( spiritually )! Great to connect on this my friends.
Ryan
Dr. Pramod Rai , self portrait said:
Hello Dr. Krishna ,
During the earlier periods [ renaissance era , impressionists , neo-impressionist ] , artists used to paint realistic and to paint in that style they followed the rules of composition [ subject and color ] and perspective to make their paintings beautiful . Even today , when one paints realistic , has to follow certain rules .......
when one evolves from form to abstract [ more spritualistic ] then those rules become obscure ......and then what you say is relevent ...the world beyound form is not ruled by physical laws ..... you express freely as your responsive mind directs !!!!!!!!!!
Pradyot Permalink Reply by Pradyot
I think whatever you create becomes "the rules" at least for your art.
thanks
Pradyot
http://myartprofile.com/prady
Basant Soni Permalink Reply by Basant Soni
Hello...Dr.Krishna..
i wish to express some of my views in this very interesting subject.." whether ...follow rules to create art...??"
The concept of creating art in the form of "Collages" using only natural colors & textures..has evolved in my mind when i saw piece of dried Bark of palm tree leaves.The natural stain-marks,patches dark & light spots..made/generated by nature on both the surfaces of this bark...attracted me so deeply that i bound to visualize some hidden art as if made by nature.The impression of one of the surface was so effective ..that a normal spectator may never believe that this bark is NOT touched by an artist with requisite colors by brushing in order to give artistic effect before final art is put for exhibition.
The above natural concept was utilized by me to use natural colors,texture available with dried flowers,twigs,petals,leaves etc. ..selecting Canvas as Bark of palm tree leaves.In fact..most of the surfaces, i left with original stain marks,dark/light spots etc...as the back-ground for my Canvas...associated with my inherent creative skills& aesthetic sense.....while generation of my each "COLLAGES" depicting ...natural scenes ,birds,animals,human beings...etc..etc.
Lastly ,in continuation of the above description ...it is my inference that no rules can be followed in real creation of ART......inner vibrations.. emanated from core of heart...... may be......defined as an "ART".....However, employing modern techniques that of photography & various software ..etc..the generation of Art .....it may be reproduction...............of various techniques..Can we called .. this as ...an .ART...in real sense.? until this concept is again associated with inborn talent/ inner -vibrations.?
.... ........................... basant.soni@gmail.com ..........................................
Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa Permalink Reply by Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa
Thanks to all those who participated in this discussion. In the end everybody agreed that an artist is free to do what ever he wants to do with his work. Glad it made people think.
Krishna Kumari
Hardik Upadhyay Permalink Reply by Hardik Upadhyay
Hello Dr. Krishna,
There was no rules when art born.Its came when we doveloped.so i am agree with your views.
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You are a true artist, Ninon.
I wish you all success
Krishna
Ninon said:There are several aspects of “practicing art” and having a “career” as an artist:
STUDENT: As the saying goes, “when the student is ready, the teacher appears.” I do think we can learn new things from people and we can perfect technique. I think we can learn from others people because they have spent many years perfecting their various skills. However, art in itself and style come from our own essence. I believe that certain people who synchronize with our particular skill often come into our lives to mentor and influence us. I think that a real master can certainly be a help to us. If a creative person goes to “school” it only helps perfects their latent talent, but doesn’t make them talented.
It does take some effort to draw our skill out of us at times. In school and classes you are often “forced” into mediums and styles you might never try on your own…which opens up new doors.
I see with many creative people that they often have trouble listening to anyone else or looking beyond their own work. I think being open to learning new things, the universe and new ideas…is very important in our development.
INSPIRATION: What cannot be taught or learned is what I’ll call “divine inspiration.” This is something we have or not. No matter how skillful someone is or how many classes they have taken if they don’t have that divine spark…skill won’t really ever go anywhere.
MARKETING: There is another aspect of this. Sometimes going to very prestigious schools get people in doors they wouldn’t otherwise get through in order to reach a larger audience. Unfortunately, “prestige” and being in the right place at the right time is rather important in the art world. No matter how good you are you need to find your way into the right “circles”…without a lot of luck of course! Some people just happen to land on their feet at the right place at the right time with no formal education and no known contacts. This is rather rare.
From what I have learned, most great artists have learned from someone or they have been influenced or mentored by someone. On the other hand, we all know lots of great artists that did everything right and were never recognized or were not recognized until they were long dead.
For myself...I am not trying to sell anything or impress anyone. If either comes as a result...that is great! If people find pleasure in what they see....wonderful. I would really hate to be forced to be creative to make money or make a "boss" happy. I have seen some good people completely disillusioned this way. I am delighted that I create....for the joy and expression of it!
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Permalink Reply by Frank Shifreen on
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Hi Dr Krishna
Have been so busy in Luxembourg writing and planning, making lots of art and planning many exhibitions
still recovering from the Lyme disease, but at least I am recovering
I think there are rules for paintings, drawings, dance and other formalized art media or constrcutions. Some art today is based on other principles, like information, or relational art and it is not based on those principles
thinking of you warmly Frank
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